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fruiteater
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Post Human CO2 and Global Warming
on: December 2, 2011, 17:24

Hi. If there's one thing I advocate, is people getting educated on facts and science before having an opinion in a discussion, unless they are willing to learn. Now I know that if you clicked on this thread, you probably feel passionate about saving the earth, That's fine, and quite noble. But there are some things that people on a global scale need to understand, especially now that I notice this trend of combining fraudulent banking, and climate issues.

Believe me, I am very passionate and so happy to see so many people beginning to understand the truth, and begin to peer beyond the shroud in front of your eyes (mainstream media). But there's another truth to be told. Global warming is a mainstream media, politically created lie. So please when you snuggle up to bed, and have a hour to spare, watch this movie. And please post on this thread after watching the whole thing please!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtevF4B4RtQ :)

FreedomCan-
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Post Re: Human CO2 and Global Warming
on: December 2, 2011, 18:36

i completely aggree with you fruiteater i find it absolutly funny that all these occupy people have admited governemnt and corporate control over our lives yet 100% believe the same government paid scientists about global warming.these are the same scientists that braught you Y2K (big huge disappointment for the human race there) but you completely believe these people how can the occupy movement hate thesee people for one thing(corruption) but beleive them for another(global warming)????? already in canada we are charging farmers for their sheeps farts.......this is insane. the entire global warming(summer)climate change(winter) movement is a giant (like you said)media,politicaly created lie, we are going to be charged for breathing and farting yet the pollution will still be put into the air , and the genetic modification, and chemtrails will still be there but we will be MORE BROKE and hate ourselves more for our evil co2 emmisions(the food plants eat and turn into breathable air) I personaly dont believe in global warming i do think its nothing but a lie but again i could be wrong but what needs to be done is use science the way its supposed to be look at all sides not the way it is now which is one side. global warming has NEVER been proven yet its taught as fact, its on tv shows, kids books, commercials, movies, magazines, yet the only thing that has ever been proven is al gores handbook to the global warmist(an inconvenient truth) has been proven to have 7 inconsistancys and lies, that movie only has like 12 main points and 7 of them where proven to be lies(polarbears arent dyin, and the ice caps arent melting) yet its still fact to everyone to me this sounds like when the earth was "FLAT" same idea no proof but anyone saying different is discredited. anyway at the very least i would compromise and say we NEED to have an OPEN debate with ALL science on both sides talked about but that wont happend because this whole climate idea is hidden in the movement of being natural and helping the planet, well i gotta say co2 IS a major element of our lives and without it we would die so dont let the people you are protesting agains blind you with another lie and charge you for breathing cause that IS what they will be doing and have already started. i WILL NOT be attending tomorrow's "climate change) rally downtown. i already have met a few people who have been asked to LEAVE the movement for different beliefs(which is a very canadian thing to do) so people really think about globalwarming/climate change for a bit before you instantly believe it thanxx

DGCar
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Post Re: Human CO2 and Global Warming
on: December 2, 2011, 19:51

An interesting film.

For an interview with the the film-maker, followed by a panel discussion with people on both sides, see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F25gZvmMJJM

The interview itself points out a few serious misrepresentations in the film.

FreedomCan-
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Post Re: Human CO2 and Global Warming
on: December 3, 2011, 12:08

@ DGCar i watched the entire debate and it was again 100% one sided against the deniers. the "journalist" asked questions but wouldnt let the director of the movie speek and only focused on the FEW wrong points of the OLD movies and then at the end the audience was basically silenced if they werent pro globalwarming.which in my view just proves that something is wrong. science is supposed to take both sides and use it even in this debate they dont. if anything this proves that GLOBAL WARMING IS NOT 100%correct. and we need to stop telling the world it is. this just shows there are TOO many questions still. and its funny how in this its still just laughing at the "conspiracy theorists" and complaining about inconsistancies(that were corrected) and ONLy focusing on minor details instead of looking at what is actually said, the whole time forgeting that al gore did twice as many inconsistancies and was NEVER corrected or even talked about. glad you braught this oone sided "debate" out though and this is what im talking about stop saying its true when the evidince out there is devided.

DGCar
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Post Re: Human CO2 and Global Warming
on: December 3, 2011, 13:46

FreedomCanada - The issue of a bias one way or the other is important. But to me it's less important than the actual scientific research, and the facts it deals with. I don't think the film's flaws pointed out in the ABC broadcast debate are minor. For example, the facts about changes you would expect to see if sun activity was the driver of current warming - but don't see - are not minor. The explanation of why ice cores show warming preceding co2 rises in the distant past seems perfectly reasonable to me. The film's argument that because co2 is such a small % of the total atmosphere, that means it can't have any effect - is simply wrong. So why make it? These are just 3 of several important rebuttals that were made.
I think those on the 'denying' side did get a fair chance to make their case, and I don't think they were very convincing at all. Others can judge for themselves whether the debate was as 'one-sided' as you claim, and whether the *scientific* claims of the film make sense in light of the interview and debate.

FreedomCan-
ada
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Post Re: Human CO2 and Global Warming
on: December 7, 2011, 09:00

No i understand some of the science presented IS credible BUT again MUCH of the movie wasnt talked about (aswell of some of the science) the 3 people in the discussion defending the movie where ALL cut off in mid sentence(aswell as the audiance) so points werent backed up. Which IS one sided since that ONE global warmer was given basicaly unlimited UNINTERUPTED talking time. Much of the movie wasnt even talked about, as the people defending the movie where some of the worst "experts" ive seen on this subject. but we have to remember this movie and discussion are almost 5 years old, and alot of the science has changed. one MAJOR flaw in the global warmer's argument IS about the sun, the movie doesnt say the sun is the only factor, what it says is the oceans, clouds, AND the sun TOGETHER are the main factor of climate on earth. it clearly explains how clouds and solar activity have a corolation with the warming of the oceans, which in turn warms the climate. ALL of the "climate change" science picks out single ideas and reasons forgeting the whole idea of earth which is everything is connected, and also refuse to explain huge warming and cooling trends throughout history as well as OBVIOUS CLIMATE CHANGE and disasters that have happend for millions of years instead they promote that the earth is and has always been the same and any little change is the end of the world, they have blamed both earthquakes and floods on climate change but dont explain how it happend al throughout history but the ones today are from co2. if you look at the 70s the science wasnt global warming it was a new ice age, then shortly after it was global warming, and NOW its global warming in the summer and climate change in the winter.but again this "debate" they had was horrible the "experts" seemed to want to hear themselves talk instead of explain the science ,and when they did have something to say they where clearly interupted or cut off from explaining. but yah its still awsome to see hadnt seen it before. and again it still just shows that there isnt enough evidence to be promoting this issue as a FACT, when there are SO many unanswered questions,

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