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FreedomCan-
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Post Actual Democracy
on: December 2, 2011, 18:15

i hope people read the whole conversation and think about what was said:

SO i guess the only idea i have and the ONLY thing that SHOULD be discussed is democracy. in canada we have NO democracy we grow up being taught in school that democracy is the end all of existance and we should be very happy we have it, well thats all fine and good except democracy in canada is ONLY for the government. if the actual definition of democracy is read it states that the PEOPLE have a vote over EVERY choice in their own country(health,education, wars,food) but somewhere along the way in canada we have lost all of our power.
if you read just under the actual definition of democracy it states that sometimes the power is slowly taken from the people and given to corporations or the government(it actually states this) and is turned into a corporate or governmental democracy(which is exactly what happened) we are ALLOWED(and i say this because in canada we have privilages instead of rights)we are allowed 1 vote every 5 years and thats as far as our power over our own lives go.

THIS is the ONLY issue occupy edmonton and all over canada should be talking about instead of this wild allover the place list of demands> ALL of canada's problems are a result of the PEOPLE having NO power whatever your beliefs are ( gmo, fluoride, chemtrails, coruption, school fees,etc) everything is a direct result of the people of canada losing this power. so whatever your beliefs are we shloud ONLY be demanding this one thing because if we had our power back POEPLE wouldnt vote for the corrupt things going on.

BUT instead the edmonton occupy movement is asking for 100 differnt things and asking the government(who is the problem) to fix things instead of demanding accountability and REAL change. by keeping the same bad people in power and asking them to do it for you , i see the corrutption just comming back. so yes we should and i say this aboutEVERY occupy movement in canada to ONLY be asking for 1 demand and thats it let it unite us as 1 giant canadian group about wanting our power back over our own lives. we WANT OUR VOTES BACK we want to have a vote in ALL of our countries choices and aggain we should all be asking for this one thing

S.D.-
Bullock
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Post Re: Actual Democracy
on: December 6, 2011, 22:53

I dont think our democracy in canada has faild us. however our leaders certianly have. instead my heart goes out the american people whose democracy their right to choose a leader was suspended when the us supreme court stoped the vote counting and appointed george jr. to his first term as president. not that canadas democratic system couldnt use some serious fine tuneing to make it a more accurate representation of canadians choice for leadership but part if is that anybody who knows what is good and right for the people aslo knows that if you do it your likly to get your head shot off like JFK. his last speach before he died he was speaking out against secret societys and i dont know if anybodys noticed that creepy triangle on almost every government building in north america but i have.

FreedomCan-
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Post Re: Actual Democracy
on: December 7, 2011, 09:36

@ shane d bullock, i absolutely disagree, i find it so disheartening that people actually believe that someone in ontario or some other corporate controled political puppet, has the "RIGHT" to tell us the people(who pay them and give them power) what to eat, what to drink, how to live, how to feel, and what they are doing in OUR name, WITHOUT asking us, WITHOUT letting US decide, and everyone is ok with THIS, an the only thing anyone is asking for is "PLEASE MASTER CAN I HAVE SOME MORE?" i find this so sickening,when people in the states are asking for actual change, we ask for the SAME PEOPLE to just clean up their act, instead of demanding what we deserve. and people are ok with this? if you cant see that giving all our power to a small group of people,we have never met and have NO way of knowing what 30 million people need, if you cant see how stupid that is and how we are NOT the governments children and we SHOULD beable to make our own decisions then you can blame the Fluoride in your water, because that makes people blind. History's corruption and tyranny wasnt forced upon people by the rebels and people who wanted change, it was forced upon people by the ones who blindly followed the RULES.

S.D.-
Bullock
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Post Re: Actual Democracy
on: December 7, 2011, 10:33

we elect our leaders we are responsible for their actions. haveing 30000000 people vote on every government action is simply not practical. thats why we need to elect ritous leaders. paul martin who flies forign flags on his cargo ships to avoid canadian taxs was elected by canadian citizens to be our leader. how can people vote for a known tax evader. how can people think a man like that has the best intrest of the canadian at heart when he is already steeling from them. we need to elect ritous leaders with the courage to stand up to big bussiness and not leaders who stand up for big bussiness.

FreedomCan-
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Post Re: Actual Democracy
on: December 7, 2011, 10:53

see i dont mean every canadian votes on every issue i mean canadians vote on all MAJOR issues like wars, and things like that, all the smaller things should be for the provinces someone in ontario shouldnt choose what we do in alberta and THAT is how it is right now. we have to ask ontario before most things. let alberta take care of alberta, let ontartio take care of ontario. and then have the government of canada taking care of our borders and armies,that way for the smaller issues< like healthcare, jobs stuff like that, we can have votes for alberta voting on alberta's issues, instead of having ontario control our jobs, lives, etc. because by having everything controlled by one entity we are making canada the way it is,crappy jobs, no money, less rights etc, we are federalizing everything JUST LIKE america you said in your last post that "atleast we arent america", well your wrong we are just america a few years ago every month our canadian rights and laws are being changed for political correctivness, illegal immigrants, corporations, banks, just like america we are just slower, just like ENGLAND is more along then america. so just waiting for a political "SAVIOR" and letting, again ill say it, people you wont meet without political agenda to get your vote, lead us and choose our lives is insane in this day and age we are going back in time,we are giving up more and more of our rights and becoming more like slaves this is 2011, not 1700.

FreedomCan-
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Post Re: Actual Democracy
on: December 7, 2011, 11:06

people need to understand that just because we have been doing this for 50 years doesnt mean we have to do this, we are asking for change but really are we, or are we just asking for the same thing over and over again. there is still people in the world who castrate men and women JUST because thats what they have always done. and in this day in age 2011 why are we asking the same corrupt polotitions, in the same corrupt government, to keep the same corrupt poloticions and gorvernment?lol when its so damn clear that it hasnt worked, isnt wrking now , and sure doesnt look like it will work in the future especially if we just keep everything the same? we are just on a long road that will keep repeating itself until we get it right. and believing that 'LEADERS" need to run our lives because thats just how it has always been done is DEVOLVING

S.D.-
Bullock
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Post Re: Actual Democracy
on: December 7, 2011, 13:38

Well i dont consider healthcare education or the economy to be small issues. i think public access to quality health care and education are the benchmarks we should be using to judge the quality of life in society. it seems to me that you want less cooperation with the rest of canada insted of more. we need our politions to stop focusing on the issues that divide us and start focusing on the issues that bring us togeather. i keep seeing the phrase we are the 99%, but we keep electing people from the 1% to lead us and we seem suprised that they proctect big bussiness instead of the canadian citizens.yes canada is becoming more like the states all the time but at least our votes get counted! nobody is forcing shitty leaders on us. we elect them.

FreedomCan-
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Post Re: Actual Democracy
on: December 7, 2011, 20:49

healthcare and education are Not smaller issues my point is people in alberta might want something different than someone in PEI or something. by keeping healthcare and education etc. on a smaller more community type basis the quality of it can improve, but by generalizing it(like we do now very socialistic) we are stuck with a set(not better just set) of rules that, at best, will only make half the people in the country happy.

why do you think everyone in canada is stupid and cant see whats going on and only care about american idol, getting drunk, and what name brand overpriced chinese plastic crap they can buy to make themsleves feel important.

take education for example, our education is absolute garbage, through elemtary kids DO NOT learn anything that will help them in life, dont teach how to start a business, dont teach much history,dont teach the law(very important), dont talk about polotics, barely learn math science or english, dont even talk about our charterof rights and freedoms, instead kids are given the most generalized book copying information, while telling them that unless they do good, be completely uniques as long as in the box(conform)they will NEVer succeed.

so kids get out of school know nothing about history(besides what hollywood movies portray as history) know nothing about their rights in canada, know nothing about the law(cops barely know the actual law)cant do math without a calculator, dont know what real defintions of words are, and couldnt start a life or take care of themsleves WITHOUT the governments help. this is what i mean these "rules" are made by people in ottowa not alberta. keep the kids stupid uninformed they can either go in debt and go to more school, or be a minimum wage slave. this is what happens when a small group of people make all the rules for us.

kids come out of school thinking that they are just as equal as every kid they have ever known, this whole idea takes the uniqueness, compotition and ambition away from people who could literaly be anything but who are told can only be anything if they conform and go into debt.

lets say alberta made our own rules it wouldnt be unfair that we had a better education system then oother provinces it would create compatition market that would open up all sorts of enw ideas instead every school in canada teaches the same thing, so no one really cares about inproving themselves its just easier to JUST make it.

anyway i hate the fact you say "ATLEAST OUR VOTE COUNTS' but really a vote for a person every 5 years and the only thing else we can do is just HOPE they do good is insane, its insane to keep doing the same thing over and over again. and yes the leaders are forced on us because its the same people or same type of people over and over agian.

your given 2 choices a knife or a gun which way do you want to die, do you sit there and say "wow i sure am glad that i have my vote over these 2 things?"

i want a choice and its me i want to make choices for my life and my families , not people i have never met. making our own choices doesnt mean we want less cooperation with canada what it means is that we want less government control over our lives, and a chance to live our lives without worrying what changes and laws will screw us over next time. but all i see is a socialistic society hidden behind the WORD 'democracy" and thats it.i feel the government has NO right to make choices for me without my consent.

cooperation does NOT mean control. canada was ok way before this corporate control was there and we had way more rights, way smarter people, and hell of a lot more jobs. aswell as people could survive without the governments help. but not anymore which to me is called slavery.

FreedomCan-
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Post Re: Actual Democracy
on: December 7, 2011, 20:58

i also gotta say shane i am lovin this debate which has been a long time since ive actually had a real debate(over the internet) WITHOUT , trolling, name calling, or infighting. which is alot of my point you and me have a very different opinion and we shouldnt have to be forced to live either way if we dont want to. lets say if you want to pay for a socialized healthcare system you have the right to and if i dont i shouldnt have to just because 51% voted to while the rest have to deal. thats my basic point here but again thanx for this debate its great nad have a good night

S.D.-
Bullock
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Post Re: Actual Democracy
on: December 8, 2011, 05:04

Perhaps the point i should be trying to make is that i think every enlightened person should want socilized healthcare etc. out of love for all mankind. But if you dont and you live in a democracy then yeah 51% is enough. though i think youll find that socalism in canada has more than 51% support.and i didnt say at least our votes count i said at least they are counted and tallied up to find out who actualy wins our elections. you talk about canada becoming more like america but it is.only our socialist policys that make.us different and in my opinion better then the states.

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