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Author Topic: Actual Democracy
S.D.-
Bullock
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Post Re: Actual Democracy
on: December 8, 2011, 05:05

Perhaps the point i should be trying to make is that i think every enlightened person should want socilized healthcare etc. out of love for all mankind. But if you dont and you live in a democracy then yeah 51% is enough. though i think youll find that socalism in canada has more than 51% support.and i didnt say at least our votes count i said at least they are counted and tallied up to find out who actualy wins our elections. you talk about canada becoming more like america but it is.only our socialist policys that make.us different and in my opinion better then the states.

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Bullock
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Post Re: Actual Democracy
on: December 8, 2011, 05:07

Also thank you and your welcome. if only our polititions could act so civilized. lol

FreedomCan-
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Post Re: Actual Democracy
on: December 8, 2011, 11:15

thats horrible to say that being socialist is what makes us different (and be happy about it)i dont agree at all.

and america IS not like what i said, thats what AMerica is Supposed to be like, and there is nothing wrong with that have you ever actually read their constitution and bill of rights its one of the best things ever written, EVER. then you look at canada's charter of rights and freedoms, it looks like we read their constitution and couldnt quite understand it, so we just kinda copied it and generalized it lol.

and your thing about healthcare being socialized and how we SHOULD have to pay into it for love of all mankind. you can not be charitable with OTHER PEOPLES money. i cant steal your wallet and give the money to a bum and it be right, it doesnt cancel it out or anything, its still theft, which is exactly what our healthcare system is.

and your still only focussing on your 1 vote every 5 years, as if thats the only thing that matters, who your slave master will be. you can change the "leader" as much as you want its the system thats failing us. and on top of that lets just say we find someone who tells us exactly what we want to hear and we elect them, what makes you think they wont lie, cheat or steal like all the others that told us exactly what we wanted to hear, since past the vote of WHO THE LEADER WILL BE we have NO say.

i think youve forgoten that WE are supposed to be the masters and the government is supposed to serve US, but its not like that and it seems everyone is ok with fixing things JUST enough so we can all go back and be comfortable. it doesnt make any sense. i loook around it it seems we are stepping backwards in time.

for example i watching KIDS IN THE HALL couple weeeks ago scott thompson is gay hes playing a gay character, saying gay things and everytime he says gay, or faggot its cut, when i was a kid watching this it wasnt i remember very clearly. and its happend in many other episodes. so during the ninties we where more open and free then we are NOW it makes no sense.

and i see this everywhere i go, we have refused people into canada or universities because of their views, then we turn around to the world and say come to canada we are so free and you can be yourselves, its a total condradiction, we seem to throw out ALL freedom of speech, for any sign of political correctness.

"you can have freedom of speech as long as it doesnt offend someone"

and this is connected with the governemnt, you change who the leader is but the same corporate control is their, so really vote all you want for WHO but WHO isnt the actual problem. and just waiting for a "PERFECT" leader to fix everything is just passing along our problems to our kids. this is stepping back in time to when kings and queens ruled everything,

and again just like back then we are freely just giving more away and just wondering why its happening. i think its time for real change and time to step forward instead of repeating the past every few generations

FreedomCan-
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Post Re: Actual Democracy
on: December 8, 2011, 11:24

i realy am just sick of hearing everyone only want to change theleader and hope they keep their promise since that is canadian democracy. just hope for the best. while the banks are still there, the corruption, is still their, the PRIVILAGES are still being taken away, the jobs, the everything. but the new leader will change it all for the better. that is NO WAY TO LIVE , and im just wondering how much more crap people will put up with before things actually change, since all throughout history, most people dont care till it gets really really, bad. i jsut hope we can change things and step forward BEFORE everthing falls

FreedomCan-
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Post Re: Actual Democracy
on: December 8, 2011, 11:38

also lol what makes ,wanting the provinces to make their own choices about things and less government control, be more american? all that is is more freedom for us , and keeping our sovereignty, keeping canada, canada lol. the way its going now we are being set up to be integrated into america....softly so people wont care. i dont want to socialize ourselves, and give up every moral we have, just to say we are different than america. im sure people wouldnt just be america if we had more rights and votes lol we would still be us and be useing our brains, lol

S.D.-
Bullock
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Post Re: Actual Democracy
on: December 10, 2011, 10:53

Sorry i took so long busy busy busy you know. But im afraid we'll just have to agree to disagree cause you dont seem to want to understand true enlightenment. Are you athiest? Anyway it sounds to me like you are in the 99% but you wish you were in the 1% and resent the less fortunate for holding you back. Even with health insurance in the states if you get somthing like cancer you can say goodbye to your life savings. You talk about having less government involvement in your life well if it were up to me and our govt only did four thing it would be universal health care universal education a JUSTICE system not just laws

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Bullock
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Post Re: Actual Democracy
on: December 10, 2011, 12:20

And environmental stewardship. Actualy in canada we dont vote for the leader, unless your a card holdin member of the winning party or the leader is in your riding and you vote for him. but we already have polititions who tell us what they think we want to hear and if their wrong they back peddel but it dosent matter cause they wont follow through unless it suits their secret agendas. We need leaders with integtity and honesty.who follow through on what they think is right not because they think it will get them elected but because they think its right. Im not sure you know what free speach means. it dosent meant you can brodcast any thing you want on public airwaves but you can ges the disc and watch it by yourself. kinga and queens are birth riht leaders

S.D.-
Bullock
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Post Re: Actual Democracy
on: December 10, 2011, 12:51

I dont see how you can compare them to elected officials. you say everybody should be able to vote on all important the issues of government and i suppose there is some merit in that argument but who decides whats important and whats not? How are we suposed to make informed decisions when most of the people dont have the education required to see through all the bullshit propoganda and at least half of the media is secretly being controlled by those with secret agendas. And besides Didnt you say you wish we had americas constitution you should be happy were being intergrated lol. but your right about one thing slavery wether actual or just economic is what the enemy of freedom and love has in mind for us. both the american civil war and WWII were fought because of human rights. they lost in open war and are now engaged in a secret war against the forces of justice and humanitarianism. If you want to use your brain use it to educate yourself about the truth

FreedomCan-
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Post Re: Actual Democracy
on: December 12, 2011, 12:20

What exactly did i say, that said i resent the less fortunate for holding me back and i wish i was part of the 1%? Not one thing i wrote says that or even implies it in anyway that was a complete garbage statement.

and you say you would vote for universal healthcare and im sure alot of people would but my point is we should have the CHOICE to do it if we want. like I clearly said we still are canadians and have our own brains but to be forced into it without anyother option is my point its still being forced YOU CANNOT BE CHARITABLE WITH OTHER PEOPLES MONEY, its called theft.

and you still just keep saying that the leader is the person that will fix everything instead of changing the system which is the problem> you can change the leader all you want but if you dont change the system it will just keep happening.

I dont think YOU know what free speech is. free speech is being able to say, think and PUBLISH what ever you want. just cause something offends someone doesnt mean you can FORCE someone to stop thinking or doing something(unless its criminal but hurting someones feelings isnt). in a really free society YOU choose to NOT listen or read, what YOU dont want to, you dont force other people to stop. if you dont like something jsut cause it offends you, you dont start a crusade, you change the channel, or walk away, or god forbid actually try andd debate the person on the subject NO just start a crusade and force people to think a certain way thats canada, but we are free really we are.

The people decide whats important for themselves NOT the governemnt. do you really think if the government didnt make all of our decisions for us we wouldnt be able to MAKE "informed decisions"? was it the governemnt that "informed" you about the corporate control over our lives? nope. did the government"inform" you about fluoride in the water? nope they told you it was good for you. does the government "inform" you about anything that isnt in their own interests? NOPE it's protesters, people fed up with the system, students, teachers, scientists, experts basically (THE PEOPLE YOU dont think can take care of themsleves) they informed YOU. so why if the governemnt didnt have more control would we be less informed? lol im pretty sure most of us are disinformed because of the governemnt,mmedia, and education that WE have NO control over lol if WE had control over these things WE wouldnt be filling people with propaganda but if we keep the same system ,get a new awsome perfect leader, but keep the same system the same disinformation and propaganda will still be there lol

i didnt say i wanted to be american i said they wrote the BEST constitution and bill of rights EVER maybe you should read it and ours before commenting on that lol. and just cause i admire it doesnt mean i want to be american it just means i dont want to sacrifice my freedoms and soveirgnty JUST TO SAY IM DIFFERENT THAN AMERICA i KNOW why i as a canadian am different than an american. i dont need something to "show" people how different i am like forced soicialism.

kings and queens didnt have a birthright lol along time ago at the begining some guy said "im the king you all do what i say" and everyone said ok( just like NOW) and thats the story of kings lol you didnt understand my point there about the kings and queens lol not even close. kings and queens didnt have all the power they were figure heads to take the blame(like president or prime ministers) behind them were the Advisors, and generals that influenced the kings decisions, it was totally a conflict of interested JUST LIKE NOW. when the king died the advisors and generals where still their pushing their ideas on the kings and queens just like our government is now we get NO power they get it all.its called an oligarchy.

and to say "lets just agree to disagree" is the biggest cop out of them all its a road to forgeting your own morals and beliefs. you can neither win or lose by saying this which means that you dont actually believe in what your preaching. you either believe it or dont you cant maybe kinda sorta blieve it. lol

Enlightenment:a spiritual revelation or deep insight into the meaning and purpose of all things, communication with or understanding of the mind of God, profound spiritual understanding or a fundamentally changed consciousness whereby everything is perceived as a unity. this is enlightenment you CAN NOT FORCE THIS ON PEOPLE which is what you are implying with your argument. this is a belief and forcing it on people is the exact opposite of what enlightenment is. this is something you can educate people with or try and introduce people to, but YOU CANNOT force this on people it defeats the purpose of it lol. so you can talk about "true enlightenment" all you want but MAKING people be good is not good at all. by forcing beliefs, ideoligies, religions on people, sure you might change a few peoples minds but you ar also killing peoples chance to expand mentaly, physically, and spiritually(life choices good or bad define people). forcing certian ideas onto people just forces them to act a certain way without choice and leads to more and more of your freedoms to be taken away because people will always be offended but what gives others the right to choose our beliefs.

it really seems that you believe that we are children that cant take care of ourselves without our parents the government. it seems you believe that we cannot make our own decisions and that we should be forced to believe and act a certain way because its the "right" thing to do. it seems you beleive that a knight in shining armor will show up and save us all and that all we have to do is hope that he will just do better than the person before........ i bet you think its enlightened to "spread democracy" to all the arab countries, and that the killing of millions is ok because we are helping.

FreedomCan-
ada
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Post Re: Actual Democracy
on: December 12, 2011, 12:40

the thing isall of these things that are going on right now,corporate government control, unlimited taxes, etc. everything thats going this is exactly what america faught for in 1776 this is WHY they wrote the constitution in the first place and now all these things are happening again with the same families as 200 years ago.

and i know we are NOT american but the same people are doing it to us too. OUR forefather's faught for US , they didnt intend "free speech" to be only free as long as it doesnt offend someone thats why they invented free speech in the first place because they were sick of being told what they could and couldn't say,think, or publish.

and its the same with government, when ours was set up it wasnt ment for us to be totaly dependent on government, it was based on america's, so we origianlly wanted alot of freedom of choice.

but now we step back in time with every act or ammendment passed without our consent. our forefathers didnt intend for other people to decide when,where and how freedom of speech and freedom of assembly was ok, they didnt sit and think that one day the government would have the right to say "ok OWS protesters you have protested enough , time to go home".people wanted a free north america thats why america and canada were created they were sick of british control over our lives sick of being told what to think, what we can say or write, who to pay our earnings to, what to invest in, what doctor to see basically their entire lives

so they faught for US so we could have freedom and NOW the same crap is happening and we are giving all that away without really understanding what we are doing its soo sad. almost every new law that is passsed is against us the people and agains our rights and freedoms.

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